Hot rabbis?

by: Rabbi Jill Jacobs

Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 22:46:33 PM EDT


Hannah and I spent some time this week debating whether to blog about a fairly cruel post put up by another writer somewhere else on the web.  In short, this writer put up a picture of a woman rabbi whom s/he found unattractive, and suggested that overweight and unattractive women rabbis are contributing to the exodus of men from Jewish life.  

You can imagine why Hannah and I hesitated:  we couldn't even imagine how horrible the woman pictured would feel if she found herself held up as the paradigm of the ugly woman rabbi, and blamed for men leaving the Jewish community.  We didn't want to draw any more attention to the post.

In response to our e-mails, the owner of the blog where this piece appeared has removed the offending post, so I am now able to blog about the topic without causing additional embarrassment to the (perfectly lovely) woman previously pictured.  (for clarification--before anyone cries censorship--Hannah and I requested that the woman's picture be taken down for the sake of sparing her embarrassment; the blog owner chose on his/her own to remove the entire post.)

Rabbi Jill Jacobs :: Hot rabbis?

It's no secret that women are held up to different standards than men in all professions, and more so in professions that require a public persona.  Nor is it a secret that the Jewish community--even the liberal Jewish community--has not yet adjusted to seeing women standing in the spot on the bima where many of us grew up seeing a pudgy, middle-aged man. 

Some years ago, I was anonymously standing on line at kiddush at a synagogue where the assistant rabbi was a woman.  I overheard the two women in front of me talking about her:  "When she first started working here, I kept wanting to say 'fix your hair,' 'that skirt doesn't look good on you,'" one of them told the other, "but then I realized--she's not my daughter; she's the rabbi."

Some of my female friends in the pulpit have been told to wear makeup, to get their nails done, to wear navy only, and not to wear pants suits.  Sometimes it's hard to remember what decade we're living in. . .

I was surprised to see Meredith Kesner Lewis, whose posts are generally smart and sensitive to feminist issues, weigh in apparently on the side of those who want women rabbis to spend more time on their appearance than on their d'rashot:

For whatever reason rabbis, particular females, aren’t known for being overly attractive. A kippah and tallis generally don’t not flatter a woman’s body, fashionably speaking (putting religious issues aside).

Sometimes, we go out of our way to show off those rabbis who do defy the norms. A friend of mine, who is a rabbinical student, is a real beauty. Long blond hair, blue eyes, slim body. And it’s no wonder her rabbinical school frequently uses her picture in marketing materials, as well as has her give tours to prospective students. Of course, she is also incredibly personable, intelligent, driven and committed to Judaism, but her looks surely don’t hurt.

To some degree, isn’t it important that our leaders, our public representatives, carry themselves not only with religious and moral ethics, but also with a concern for appearance? They are the outer face of Judaism to the rest of world.

Meredith, wisely, does not link to the (now removed) post for the same reasons that Hannah and I avoided drawing attention to it.

Yes, of course, people make judgments about everyone, especially job candidates and especially rabbis, based on looks.  And I do think that women have to dress the part to compete--I cringe when I walk into a rabbinic meeting at which all of the men are wearing suits, but some of the women are dressed in flowy skirts and casual shirts.  But male rabbis get by just fine with their paunches and shlumpy clothing--only the heaviest and shlumpiest suffer for their looks.  Women, on the other hand, are critiqued for every hair out of place and for every spare pound.  And before Meredith's post, I had never thought to worry about whether my tallit was flattering. . . never mind what one does about tefillin hair. 

Can't we at least publicly pretend that we've learned something from the last forty-odd years of feminism?  

 

 

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Also interesting - a lot of the (sympathetic) comments people were making about the rabbi in question were "she's not unattractive!"  As if what was in question was the judgment itself, rather than the fact that there shouldn't be a judgment at all.

All told, though, I actually think a lot of progress has been made, and I'm grateful for it.

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Thanks Jill! I definitely have heard my fair share of comments, both about myself and about women I know in the pulpit. I've even heard snarky comments from younger women rabbis that the older women in the field dress like men or at least to hide their gender. And we all know plenty of male rabbis who can't dress either, but no one calls them out on it (though--and I am not sure this is a sign of progress--some of my male classmates were called out on their haircuts during pulpit interviews...and their beards!).

One of the most liberating aspects of my internship at Congregation Beth Simchat Torah two years ago was that as long as I looked professional and neat, no one cared what I wore. The differences of gender expression in the shul meant that there were many models for what was "appropriate" for women to wear. I decided at that moment to never take a job where it was not okay for me to wear a pants suit on the bima, and to dress for what made me look professional. As I said to a friend with a very different look than me, trying to look like someone else's idea of "rabbi" is just like putting on rabbi drag.

 



Feminism and Egalitarism (0.00 / 0)

First of all, I appreciate the post by Jill and her colleague Hannah Farber, which was thought-provoking for me.

Now let me begin by saying that if the offending blog we both mention had put up a picture of an overweight, schlubby male rabbi, I would have had different, but related issues to the way that our public representatives carry themselves. There is an aspect related to ma’arit ayin that I believe holds true here, regardless of gender.

But on to the issue relating to women. I think it’s fair to say that most people who wear tallitot and/or kippot, male or female, do think about the garments’ look and their appearance in them. If not, there wouldn’t be hundreds if not thousands of different colors, shapes, and sizes. There are even more masculine and more feminine versions. When people shop for tallitot, in particular, they frequently try them on to make sure they “fit.” Similarly, many people match their kippot to their outfit.

My problem comes when women assume that being egalitarian means doing that which used to be masculine. I try to embrace both egalitarianism and femininity at the same time. There are plenty of more feminine tallitot that are specifically meant to fit a woman’s body. By wearing this type of garment, one could both fulfill the obligation of the mitzvot and celebrate being a woman. In the process they would truly be displaying the value of hiddur mitzvah, making the observance of a mitzvah beautiful.

The same can be said even more so for kippot. This has traditionally been a man’s garment. And there are plenty of feminine options: hats, lace coverings, scarves. As a married Jew who davens at a Conservative synagogue, I always cover my head during services. But never with a kippah. On Shabbat I wear hats and during the week, I carry an extra lace doily in my pocket. This has led to confusion by other people who somehow assume that my hat-wearing makes me Orthodox. But rather, it is my desire to still be a stylish young woman and observe traditions that leads me to do this. Though it is completely irrational, the site of a woman in a kippah always makes me as a woman feel uncomfortable. I have learned to accept that many other women will wear one, but I never will.

And so perhaps, I misstated my original thought. What is unflattering are those women who believe that being feminine and progressive are two opposites. That in order to wear ritual garments, one must wear that which men have been wearing for thousands of years–those which in their design were not meant to be worn by women–instead of looking to the unique side of femininity in Judaism.

Cross-posted at MJL.

 



Fitted Tallit? (0.00 / 0)

Tallit and kippot are ritual objects which come in many shapes, sizes, and colors for wearers to choose between. Individuals wear them for a range of reasons, including ritual meaning, tradition, and for show.

However, there is a difference between thinking about how a piece of cloth looks ON you, and thinking about how it makes YOU look. My tallis has a beautiful watercolor design on it, epicting attributes of the 12 tribes.  One may consider it "more feminine", within a
stagnant gender framework.  I definitely cede that it is not the traditional (boring) norm of white with blue edges.

However, my only thought in terms of fitting me, or my (female) body, would be if it was so long as to drag on the floor, or so short as to not provide the traditional 'wrapping' feeling. Otherwise, I don't really know what you mean by fit a woman's body.  Should a tallis follow the curvature of our breasts and amplify our curves to be sutiably feminine?

Beyond how our tallit should "fit", sometimes women have to do things that used to be masculine in order to achieve equality.  Voting, citizenship, property owning, academia, and even the rabbinate used to be masculine.  As did pants.  Although, we have
come a long way in feminizing the pants. Now they 'fit' us.

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I'm hearing that you want some equity in ritual expression, and I appreciate that thought.  Its an important one to ponder, and we should be thinking about it in creative ways;  ways that emphasize how objects and cloth, holy and otherwise, which we adorn our bodies with support individuality and promote inclusivity. 



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I wish the women in my Conservative shul were more right wing about issues that at least "on the books" the Conservative movement says we shoud still be keeping traditional attitudes.  When our shul's leadership have softened stands on kashrut and Shabbat observance policies or when they have not made adult education a serious priority, I have not seen women except for one or two really being upset about these issues.

It important to me that the person - man or woman - who is leading services also lead the community by holding up traditional values.  And as our shul moves more and more to the left on a variety of Jewish law issues  besides what happens in the prayer services I don't see these women to either have the will or the talent to shift the pendulum away from making our shul look like a Reform temple with a dash more Hebrew.

 



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How is adult education "right wing"?

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I usually learn between 1/2 hour and a hour a day of some kind of text study. Some days it's less. Some days its more. Some of which includes Rabbi Brovender's web yeshiva parsha shavua class.  Thursday nights I go to my local Kollel for a Gemara Megilah class.  I also try to listen to a shir from torah in motion about once a week too.  On shabbos afternoon I go to an Ortho shul to listen to a halacha shir and then there is whatever is being taught at seuda shlishit.  I fool around with Daf Yomi when the new tractates start.  I will try to start Gittin as it starts this Saturday night/Sunday.  I am usually good for a few days but I admit it's too much after a few days.  But I have always wanted to learn the whole Gittin/Kiddushin cycle . It would be really great to learn as I have still fairly newly married and we have a beautiful one year old. 

I also try to read up on Jewish blogs I like such as failed messiah and hirhurim.  Also I try to keep up with whatever is news on jpost. So I think that counts for some learning too.

Because I have set up my own learning schedule and since only a few people in my C shul seem to care about adult ed, I am not as public with my disdain regarding that my local C shul does not have enough adult ed as I used to be. And having a one year old is the greatest learning of all.   Sooner or later, if and most likely when he figures out that he doesn't fit in the big tent of C Judaism either then he will have a friend to help him figure out his own ownership of his Judaism as I have tried to do for myself. 

 

 



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And does its right wingness or left wingness depend on what the rabbi's wearing?

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Our C rabbis-both male- dress conservatively. They wear a suit and tie at all shabbat services. Our junior rabbi wears tzizit out. That makes some old timers feel he is too Orthodox. In reality he is very much committed to egalitarianism.  So when they talk about the importance of halacha only to allow a lot of lapses with observance to happen around the shul it shows that dress has nothing to do with being left or right wing in what the rabbis allow at our C shul.

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sexism and "hot rabbis" (0.00 / 0)

Many thanks to Jill and Hannah for this important though distressing post and for taking action against the offensive post on the other blog. This discussion is one more reminder that sexism remains deeply rooted in our culture. And that, as Jill rightly suggests, we haven't learned all that much from the last four decades of feminist activism.



I didn't even think about it from a feminist angle... (0.00 / 0)
 I just figured the original author was about a micrometer deep and infected by show biz culture. Either way, her priorities are all screwed up. Thank you for your post.

What to Wear--the Jewish Version (0.00 / 0)

I'm not frustrated with frumpy looking, casual flowy skirt wearing women Rabbis. Instead, I'm frustrated about Jewish dress in general.

Every morning I have a Jewish debate with my closet. As an unmarried, unaffiliated, Jewish feminist, I'm often left throwing around scarves, skirts and jeans trying to figure out what I can wear to reflect my Judaism.

The debate usual starts with if I should cover my head. No where in the Torah is it required for men or women to cover their heads. However, the Talmud states, "Cover your head in order that the fear of heaven be upon you" and Rabbi Honah ben Joshua "never walked 4 cubits (2 meters) with his head uncovered...'Because the divine presence is always over my head.'"

Today, in Israel especially, it is common for religious men to wear a kipa daily. Non-religious men only cover their heads in synagogue or at special religious ceremonies. I've also seen some men use their hand to cover their head during prayer. Although covering one's head based on the Talmud has traditionally been a male-only action, recently Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist women have starting wearing the kipa as a critique of Jewish male-dominance and a sign of egalitarianism.

Traditionally for women, their is no discussion of covering their head related to the Talmud. Instead the Jewish tradition regarding female dress is concerned with modesty, or Tzniut, and to cover you're hair. Orthodox married women often cover their hair with a scarf, snood or other hat to conceal their hair which is thought to be arousing and distracting.

As for what do with myself, I'm still left frustrated and confused. Do I really need to wear a kipa in order to symbolize my egalitarian views of Judaism? As Meredith Lewish argues on Mixed Multitudes, I too am looking for a way to embrace feminism and egalitarians. But more than that, I'm looking to address the Talmud's teachings and Tzniut. Can covering my head with a scarf symbolize the divine presence as well as my modesty?

I think that it would be far more interesting to look into the deeper Jewish aspects of our dress than to be concerned strictly with professional norms and social scrutiny. Someone please a-dress this issue. I won't mind if the response is from a frumpy, pajama wearing blogger like myself, or a studdley young Armani wearing Rabbi.

 Cross-posted at Sababi.



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To take it from the other end, when I started out in the pulpit, my preference was to wear hats. I was told that I must cease this practice immediately, as it made me look too Orthodox. If I wore a suit (to match the daily black suits of the other clergy), I looked too severe. And when I dressed more casually, I was told I was dressing too casually.

At a certain point, I just preferred to give up and dress to be comfortable, since I clearly was not going to be able to satisfy anyone else's preferences no matter what I wore.

To classify a tallit as needing to figure one's flatter or whatever seems ridiculous to me. I suppose if I wanted to, I could switch to a tallit katan, but I don't wear a tallit to look fashionable, any more than I wear tefillin for that purpose; I do it to fulfill a commandment, commandments that I believe apply to me as well as other women. As for a kippah, I actually prefer hats, but it turns out that wearinga  kippah does have some other benefits: it doens't for example shade one's eyes, as so many women's hats do, putting a barrier between me and other people - problematic for someone who works with people.

But in regards to hats, I think it's worth considering that the reason that women aren't commanded to wear them is because as ws earlier pointed out, they were considered to be already wearing them; marraige was early - close to puberty, the age at which they would need to start covering their heads. The rabbinic commandment to cover men's heads is actually a commandment for modesty before God; it's hardly God's fault that men have taken there to be such a huge distinction between covering their heads, andwomen covering their hair; if we want to cover our hair, that's one thing: I don't because in our society hair doesn't tempt men to sin (and if it does: dudes, get a grip), but there is still a need for modesty in both men and women, thus we should both be covering our heads out of respect for heaven.

 OTOH, While it's clear that women are still being held to ridiculous standards, I will say that I know of at learst one colleague who was rebuked publicaly (!!) for wearing argyle socks. Leaving me to consider that the problem may beone more of congregants believeing that they have a greater er, stake, let's say, in their rabbis then they ought to. 



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 It is unfortunate that the  someone from the non-orthodox community would choose to bring this issue up. everyone I know who is orthodox tells me that the reason women can"t take part in relgious duties is that thier beauty will distract the men from thier devotion. Now someone is saying that an ugly woman also distracts the male worshippers. No one ever thinks about what an orthodox Rabbi looks like so why should they care about what they look like in the more egalitarian movements. If they do, then maybe they are equally not egaliarian.  



Just another take on an old ugly stereotype ... (0.00 / 0)

I haven't heard anyone speak to the ways that this offensive posting plays on an old (antisemitic and sexist) belief that "Jewish" (that is, ethnically Ashkenazi) women are unattractive. That an early commenter mentioned that the rabbinical student one school chooses as tourguide is *blond* is instructive; as is the fact that so many Jewish women at one time chose to dye their hair and "fix" their noses to look "less Jewish". What is the male fantasy of the "shiksa goddess" except that she is a truly attractive (blond, leggy) woman, because the non-forbidden Jewish specimens are presumably so much less attractive?

Think of the movie "Keeping the Faith," where the young male rabbi has dated every Ashkenazi Jewish woman in NYC, every one of whom is obnoxious and self-absorbed. At the end, the blond beauty he has a crush on lets on that she is converting to Judaism. The movie's message: there is nothing wrong with Judaism, which can be cool, cool enough for beautiful ethnically-WASP women to choose to join the tribe. But there is something wrong with ethnically Ashkenazi women, because the rabbi can't find a single specimen in all of NYC who is of interest to him.

I'm sorry to say that what sounds like it is happening is that even when Judaism the religion is okay, and women taking active leadership in that religion is okay, the old (sexist, self-hating) stereotype of the Ashkenazi ethinicity as unattractive to men is rearing its ugly head.

All of the dark frizzy-haired, brown eyed, petite, outspoken Ashkenazi ladies out there need to call this shit out for what it is. There's something wrong if our community's common definition of beauty defines most of us out of it.



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